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truthfulness and Chinese discussion forums (BBS)

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From the News BBS at Netease 网易, a discussion of how truthful you can be on Netease BBS. Could be a shill for Netease (as some of the commenters point out), but even so the discussion is interesting for its candid discussion of life in Virtual China–at least for those who want to discuss the news.  The assumption is that the more one can speak the truth on a news forum, the better it is.  Could relatively free speech be a differentiator in the BBS marketplace in China?  On the other hand, even though it’s been nominated as an "elite" post (I found it on the Netease BBS elite post list) it’s only been read by 1200 people in the last few days, a very small number. Does that mean that people see this kind of thing a lot and are jaded, or that they just don’t want to deal with this topic because it’s sensitive, or that it’s simply not important to them?

The post is titled, In all China, only on Netease does one dare speak the truth, you can speak the truth!

Every time I come to Netease I have the feeling I can speak freely! And not only this, but how many have been helped! For example, giving aid to the poor and so on! I’ve wanted to say this for a long time! At the very least it allows those with resentment or grievances to speak out and purge their anger!!

Selected comments:

Objectively speaking you love Netease because you can speak the truth
But that’s not now
It’s in the past

Compared with other forums Netease is already pretty good, at least you can get posts out…

It’s a lot better than Zhonghua–that place is garbage, you have to register just to respond to a post

The fawning posts are all here, my posts never go out so of course you don’t get to see them.

I’m suspicious!!! Why is that every post I respond to gets closed down??

You can speak the truth but once it’s said you won’t see it. They have to get by too, it’s understandable.

You can’t say everything here, you’re playing it up.

非常真人’s photo-comic blog

非常真人,非常娱乐 (Very Real People, Very Entertaining) is a blog that posts short, amusing photo-comics of every day life in Beijing. Whose life? In most cases it’s the middle-class youth. Even though I don’t find every comic funny, the photography and the postures employed in each scene are pure gold.

Here’s an example of an entry I found particularly funny (translation in maroon):

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And here’s a link to a post where 小胖 (Little Fatty, blogged here and here).

Go to the 非常真人,非常娱乐 blog.

memedia: collective Chinese wisdom

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Check out the new Chinese weekly online magazine, Memedia, a cooperative effort among over 100 (and counting) prominent Chinese bloggers.  It looks like a blog but at present is a weekly, with hopes to eventually become a daily.  So far, issues no. 1 and 2 offer super condensed, link-heavy news about web, tech, media, and international events–it’s a mirror of the collective wisdom of the participants, with links leading back to blog posts on their own sites.  Memedia describes itself as follows:

Coming from the combination of three terms, Me/Meme/Media. Memeda will provide interesting things, important things, diverse things, for us to enjoy together….

This is an open, collaborative project.  Each person has the opportunity to contribute, and you can participate in our public Skype channel, providing clues to news or introducing your latest discovery.

Netizens show support via mashup!?

The nail house incident blogged here earlier has made it way into the English blogosphere: BoingBoing linked to Ananova about it (before we caught it actually), ESWN linked to Danwei’s post, and Peering Into The Interior translated an interview with the owner.

Meanwhile, as Global Voices Online points out, it is also picking up steam on the Chinese BBS’s.

The latest item that’s caught my eye: netizens show support by mashing up headshots of the nail house owner’s husband.

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Picture via GVO.

personal rights: another Chinese housing hold-out

Earlier we blogged about the "nail house" 钉子户 in Shanghai–these are the residences of urbanites whose neighborhoods have been "moved" 动迁 and who are the last hold-outs–they stick out like nails in an otherwise modernized environment.  Making the rounds of Chinese portals and BBS in March, this "greatest nail house in history," from Chongqing, which is renowned across the city. 

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On March 19 the China Legal Daily published what it claims is the first interview with the woman who owns the house. Her demand? To be given an apartment in the new building that is going up on the same spot, with comparable square footage to the house she now lives in.  This will be impossible, says the developer.  According to Chongqing law, says the article, there are three possible ways to compensate owners in this type of situation: 1) provide housing on the same spot; 2) provide housing in another spot; 3) provide a sum of money.  The city is only willing to provide Ms. Wu, the resident, with the third option, but she is not willing to accept a sum of money. 

Because the two parties cannot come to an agreement, they have not budged since relocation at the site started in September, 2004. although excavation of the worksite is already well underway…"On January 11, 2007, the developer brought an administrative action against Ms. Wu with the department responsible for relocation, the Chongqing Jiulongpo District Housing Management Bureau. The result was a demand for the resident being relocated to voluntarily move within 15 days and to return the house to be demolished by the developer. If the party being relocated  does not agree with this ruling he or she can file a suit with the Chongqing Jiulongpo District Court within 3 months or apply for a reconsideration within 60 days from the Chongqing Jiulongpo District Government or the Chongqing Municipal Housing Bureau.

Ms. Wu’s response to the Legal Daily reporter: I simply won’t accept this mistaken ruling!

The Jiulongpo District Housing Management Bureau says it will apply for a legal ruling to institute forced relocation. 

on the BBS: cohabitation and the law

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One of Sina BBS’s "HOT" threads last week: "People’s Congress Delegate Advocates Repealing Concept of Illegal Cohabitation, Do You Support?" It was posted by "eastinred," who kicks things off with a long response titled, "This People’s Congress delegate’s proposal puts the incidental in front of the fundamental," some of which I translate below. Eastinred reads a bit like a hired Internet commentator trying to influence public opinion.

The main post notes that a People’s Congress delegate, lawyer Han Deyun, recently pointed out that unmarried cohabitation only became seen as illegal in 1989 and is not actually against the Marriage Law.  Since that time, according to Han, people have seen the practice as both immoral and illegal. Eastinred then responds to this news with a long, reasoned, essay.  Selected excerpts:

"eastinred": As seen by the common people (note, I’m not talking about legal experts), cohabitation can be divided in the following ways:  1.  Both parties are single; 2. One party is single, one party is married; 3. Both parties are married, but are not each other’s spouse; 4. Other kinds of unusual situations….Situations 2 and 3 are clearly going against our current law, and are already deemed illegal by the current marriage law because this kind of behavior is harmful to society…My personal opinion is that situations 2 and 3 must be defined as illegal cohabitation! What’s more, it should be cracked down on by the law!…As for situation 1, two single parties, we must focus on whether it’s voluntary.  If one party is being forced it appears to be illegal behavior.  Mostly it is men who force women, and here we must continue to fight against this kind of behavior.

Now I will discuss two single parties who are living together voluntarily. In this situation there is basically no harm to society, in fact it could play a stabilizing role…Some people are even just about to go through the marriage procedures…I think that the People’s Congress delegate was probably talking about these kinds of people when he said we should not label them [as illegal]. But our marriage law also protects common-law marriage, that is to say, although the couple may not have a marriage certificate they are still protected by law in many circumstances. This kind of situation used to be very common in the countryside, and has to do with tradition and educational level, and one thing about this kind of situation is that people surrounding the couple all see the couple as husband and wife, without any suspicion.

Because society is changing too quickly, the intensity of work (mostly the intensity of intellectual labor) is increasing daily for city people, especially in large cities, and there’s a huge volume of information. Marriage becomes a question of choice (people can’t make up their minds), dread increases (the fear of failure); add in the increasing mobility of the population and some pessimists adopt a kind of "having it once is better than never having it at all" 曾经拥有、别无所求 attitude. The two parties don’t care about the past and have no specific plans for the future (actually this is a kind of distrust in society), which naturally means an increase in casual husbands and wives. There’s something we feel sympathy towards in these kinds of people.  At present we should increase safeguards and later lead them in the right direction.  Increasing social safeguards will decrease the numbers of this group and this kind of precarious lifestyle, so that living a true married life will be more than just a dream for them.

Some of the over 200 comments had more to say:

My personal opinion? This kind of delegate is useless.

What a lame delegate, who knows who asked you to be a representative, social morals are falling apart just like that, perhaps it’s you who are living with someone illegally and that’s why you raised the issue.

  I support this strongly.  What is the law protecting in my relationship with my girlfriend, nothing. The law should protect those who are in situations against their will.

The Top Ten Poor Bastards of 2006

Linked to on PostShow, and appearing in various BBS’s and websites:

《祸布斯》10大穷光蛋排行榜 (Huobus’ Top Ten Poor Bastards Chart)

Each post is accompanied by ten pictures, some more exaggerated and satirical than the others. It is satirical because, for example, the number one entry is about the Chinese football players and the debt caused by their debauchery. Most of them relate to the plight of the poor in a slightly unsettling way.

For example:

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Rough translation: Reason for choice: Miss Zhu’s situation is not new this year, last year she only possessed one trash can. This year, she already has three trash cans at her disposal, and an amazing 200 yuan forehead connector [translation wrong?]. At this rate, Miss Zhu will be out of the Top Ten by next year.

Jim’s translation: Why she made the list: This year saw a massive breakthrough for Ms
Zhu’s enterprise: last year she only had the use-rights to one trash
can; this year she has control of three! What’s more, in an
earth-shaking development, she now possesses savings to the princely
sum of 200 yuan! We estimate that, barring the unexpected, Ms Zhu is
certain to fall out of the top ten on next year’s list.

Jim also notes that Huobus is a wordplay on Forbes.

Link to all ten mini-posters.

sexual tourism in Virtual China

Everyone says sex makes the Internet go round; maybe it’s just a little more obvious in China?  Sandwiched in between Tianya photo posts on Qing dynasty-era embroidery and government officials planting trees is one of Tianya’s most popular ongoing photo threads of the year: an adult industry exhibition in Las Vegas. Over 400,000 have viewed the pages in the last three months (one suspects many of them are return visits), almost 3,000 have written comments. Lots of conversation about how big the photos should be in order to get the maximum effect but not to slow down the load rate too much; some requests for specific porn stars, by name.  The author has promised to slowly display his treasures from the 2006, 2005, and 2004 show, and readers are eagerly awaiting. This about sums it up:

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BBS: a new forum for folklore

Folklorists, historians, and anthropologists of the future will have a huge new source of self-generated firsthand reports of folk customs around China, complete with photos and pretty soon, audio and video. Poking around Tianya trying to understand a bit more about some of the big forums, I came across this lively, descriptive Feb. 27 post titled [Chaoshan] Hometown Great Pig Contest. A rough translation of the post, followed by photos and selected comments:

Guanlong, Denghai [in Guangdong province] has the custom of an annual "Great Pig Contest." This contest is a folk ceremony for celebrating an abundant year, similar to praying for a bumper harvest and prosperity.  But the spectacle and grandeur of this ceremony is rarely seen in these parts, and in addition the Great Pig Contest promotes growth.

On the 18th day of the first month of the lunar calendar, the site of Denghai’s Great Pig Contest is quite a spectacle. All one can see is over 500 flayed-open fat pigs, each spread on a wooden frame about 1 meter in height. Looking in that direction, one sees a field of snow white. These porcine offerings have their heads held high and their mouths stuffed with tangerines.  They look as if they’re leaping forward, presenting a scene of vigor and high spirits. Attached to each wooden frame is a red label reading, " so-and-so fortune and respect" so that each family can identify its own offering.  People are milling about, each wanting to be submerged in the center of the crowd, and only bits and pieces can be seen of even the tallest. Shouts echo through the crowd as people try to locate one another.

Every year the largest pig is put forth in the front row with its weight displayed.  They’re generally about 1000 jin or more.  In addition to labeling it with the family name, the biggest ones were also wearing big red flowers!

These huge pigs have all been raised since last spring. There’s a very rigorous process for keeping them fat and healthy.  It’s said that every year the Great Pig Contest takes place on the 17th and 18th of the first lunar month, and that it’s organized on a rotating basis by different family lineages. And as it’s at the beginning of the year, this kind of contest can not only enliven the farmers’ enthusiasm for production and fill the new year with hope, it also increases the atmosphere of joyous celebration.

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So lively! My spouse’s family does this too, we call it "Displaying Pigs and Sheep," sometime around the new year.  It’s a shame I’ve been unable to see it for many years!

May I ask, what do they do with all the pigs after the contest? If the weather’s a bit hot, wouldn’t the pig flesh start to stink?

Is it interesting?  It makes me feel I’ve entered a slaughterhouse. What a strange folk custom!

It’s really a problem, what to do with all that pork.

For those animal rights people, have you never eaten meat before? Who are you kidding?

I wonder how Muslims would feel if they saw this…

BBS girls: mainstream voyeurism

Yesterday I came across a Tianya BBS forum called Tianya Myself 天涯真我 (Roland Soong of ESWN translated it as True Self Community Forum…I’m just using the Chinglish version from the website itself). It’s the place where February Girl first posted her photos, and I guess what I’m writing about here is just the latest version of that: pretty girls posting pictures of themselves and having what seem to me fairly odd conversations with what appear to be strange men. Voyeurism in Virtual China. [Update: see ESWN recent translation of a fascinating article on the new profession of "Internet Promoter"--creating and promoting Internet stars).

"Chaseaini" is the post with the longest thread at the moment.  Her Tianya profile says she's a 21 year old college student in Fujian province.  On Jan. 3 she posted her first photo under the title "My first time posting photos, hehe." It was a kind of Chinese Britney Spears-esque/anime schoolgirl picture.

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Since then there have been almost 6500 comments (including her own) and over 124,000 page hits.  It's still going strong.  It reads something like this:

Beautiful! Do you have any more?

Chaseaini: I hope everyone will use civilized language, otherwise, will the BBS moderator please delete them.

MM [meimei/little sister], I’m waiting, keep going.
What a beauty!
I’ve been on Tianya for 5 years and this is the first time I’ve ever commented on a post. 
Keep posting photos!
Basically, as long as you’re female, after PhotoShop every one is a beauty.
Where is she? I still want to see more!
Where do you live in Xiamen? I can be there in half an hour!
She’s really extraordinary!
I’ve been on Tianya Myself a long time, but this is the first time my heart has been moved.
You could kill a man with these photos.
After coming to Tianya, I’m not going to porn sites anymore.  The girls here are much prettier!

Over the next few days Chaseaini reveals a bit more about herself: she is not studying at Xiamen University, she’s into writing, she likes to write essays and poetry, she’d like to get published and wonders if anyone has any suggestions.  At this point you start to wonder?  Is it written by some Tianya editor to hook in male readers?  It just sounds a bit too much.  Then she actually starts posting some poems.  Readers discuss what kind of role she would play if she went into acting. Several weeks and 6,000 comments later, Chaseaini writes:

Before when I posted my photos I was kind of naive, and just posted them for myself. Now I feel I’m posting them for my "you."

Just yesterday a new post appeared, posted by a girl called "Land of Happiness," followed by her QQ number and titled "I’m a 17 year old student. Photos inside. Please evaluate."
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The first comments were very direct: "More angles. Full body. No PS. No heavy make-up."